Rip Van Disco: A 13-mile barn-find pace car awakens

Rip Van Disco: A 13-mile barn-find pace car awakens | Hemmings Blog: Classic and collectible cars and parts.


Photos courtesy Corvette Mike of New England

Many, many 1978 Indianapolis 500 pace car replica Corvettes were mothballed with hopes of the cars turning into super collectibles, so finding a low-mileage example today isn’t hard. In fact, there are seven for sale in the December issue of Hemmings Motor News. One, formerly on display at the Corvette museum in Bowling Green, has just 116 miles on the clock. Another is advertised as having been driven just 700 miles. If you want a car you could actually drive, there’s a 1978 Indy Corvette with 22,900 miles.

Unfortunately, the demand predicted for these cars back in the Disco Age has yet to arrive. If you like ‘Vettes, you wouldn’t kick a 1978 pace car out of your garage, but as Corvettes go, these are considered lackluster performers and too many were built for them to ever be considered rare.

According to the Corvette Black Book, the original plan was to make 300 of the black and silver ‘Vettes. Mike Yager’s Corvette Bible claims 2,500. Had Chevrolet stuck to either of those figures, Indy Pace ‘Vettes would probably be more collectible today. But for Chevrolet, the profits these cars were raking in must’ve been as irresistible as coke at Studio 54. The Indy cars received a lot of hype, so demand went through the roof and Chevrolet cranked out 6,502 copies – more than one for each dealer.

With a base price of $13,653 compared to the standard Corvette base price of $9,446, the Pace Cars were expensive and profitable because they were loaded with “mandatory options.” Power windows, power locks, removable roof panels, rear window defogger, air conditioning, tilt/telescoping column, AM-FM radio with 8-track (or CB radio at extra cost) – all were included. Even this probably doesn’t help the value of these cars as luxury tends to be the exact opposite of what Corvette collectors crave today: radio delete, heater delete, oversized fuel tanks (when they were available), manual transmissions. You get the drift – racing-related stuff on a Corvette is hot. Stuff that you would normally associate with a Caprice Classic is not.

Anyway, receiving almost as much press as these cars received when new is a barn-find pace car offered for sale by Hemmings advertiser Corvette Mike. The car has been all over the Internet due to the fact that it has only 13 miles on the odometer. It’s even covered in an authentic layer of scurvy storage grime.

The pace car’s bonafides include a CB radio, Gymkhana suspension and the 220hp L82 350, all of which are cool. The fact that it’s an automatic makes it a little less so. Check it out for yourself over at Corvette Mike’s.

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C6 07 Corvette – Fuel Gauge – Video

Here is the follow-up for the Fuel Gauge issue I had with my Corvette.

I had previously added a can of Techron Fuel System Cleaner.  This was the first treated tank.  Today the Vette need filling up and I recorded the incident.

In the second video please excuse the legs shot.

This first is the status as I pulled in to gas up.

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Here you can clearly see the flop and the service notice.

 

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Fuel Issue Vid1, posted with vodpod

After about 20 miles, the gauge when to 3/4 full and a few minutes later it when to full.

After I got home I put in another can of fuel system cleaner.  We’ll see how that works.

Thanks for reading.

Tim

C6 07 Corvette – Fuel Gauge/Low Fuel/Service Fuel System

I haven’t done much writing about my C6 Corvette, mainly because it has really been a great car (still is) even with the technology glitches.

 

However, as you might have gathered from the title there is an issue that I thought I’d jot down along with some possible causes and some preventive measures.

I recently had the problem with my gas gauge flopping round and kicking off the low fuel warning.  Interesting enough it only happened immediately after filling up.  It is an immediate reaction when I turn the car on.  During this most recent incident the gauge remained flat-lined for what seemed a bit longer then it has in the past. I’m talking 20 miles or more with 3 stops full and shut down.  It was accompanied by the engine light, which remained on after the gauge went back to normal and the low fuel warning stopped.

The Vette ran perfectly  during the event so I’m not too worried , but still you don’t want to have to call the flatbed.

So I dropped a note on my corvette clubs site ACE (Arizona Corvette Enthusiasts) http://www.arizonacorvetteenthusiasts.net and to see what they thought.

Most swear by Chevron gas with its Techron cleaning agent and some were thinking it might be a sending unit and some said it is a common problem with C5 ( the previous generation of Corvettes).

Here are some comments:
—“Use some Seafoam (Autozone, Checker etc.) per directions on the bottle.  Techron works also.”  My NOTE:  Seafoam is tough stuff, you have to be sure to change your fuel filter shortly there after.

—“Same thing would happen to me with Roxxane II (c5).  It would show empty when I filled her up. I would use 2 bottles of Techron and then one bottle at every fill up for the next 4 tanks.   Problem went away for a while. Then I would use one bottle every 2 tanks and that kept the demon away.”

This one was exteremly helpful……”Well, stop putting gas in it, maybe the problem goes away.”

—“It’s a level sender issue for sure.  If Techron doesn’t solve it, you’ll either have to learn to live with it, or replace the faulty sensor.  Do you have any way to check the codes to see which sensor is unhappy?”  ( I don’t so if it acts up again, I’ll have to take it in.)

—“Two possibilities…. sulphur build up on the sending unit or the sending unit going out.  I understand they are a biotch to change.”

—“My C5 had the problem unless I ran Chevron gas in it.  About the second tank of non Chevron the gauge would go crazy.  I would switch back and the problem went away.”

—“This was a common occurrence on the ‘early’ C5’s. It usually happened when high sulphur content fuel was put in. Some of the fixes were switching gas to adding a bottle of Techron every once in a while.  The real ‘fix’ was a reflash at the dealer.   Apparently the sender was a bit too sensitive, so they slowed it down.

I had the issue occasionally on my 99, but when I put a 2002 Z06 operating system into the computer, it went away.

Since you have a C6, I would expect that the issue isn’t a reflash. My guess would be that maybe you got some high sulphur content fuel or your sender is acting up in some way,     maybe a poor or intermittent connection somewhere along the line.

—“You could try a treatment with Techron and see if that ‘cleans’ it up. ”

—“I was using the Techron trick in my C5. I switched to Gumout Regane Fuel System Cleaner. I t seems to help, although my gauge still jumps to E at times when below 1/3 of a tank. Good luck. It sucks to not really know how much fuel is in your tank. Although a Vette is light in comparison to other cars, I just can’t see myself pushing it into the gas station.”

So there you have a round of discussion on the topic.

 

Now the fuel leveling sensor is used because the C6 had two tanks and this keeps the tanks level.  Which is important especially if you are running auto cross.  Here is area a couple of graphics from http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com:

 

 

 

So you can see that it would a chore to replace.  So I’m going to try the Techron and hope  it works.  I’ve been cautioned that I need the  Fuel System Cleaner – not the injector cleaner.  Here’s a pic:

Get the Fuel System Cleaner.

 

I’ve used my first 12 oz can and I’m currently at half a tank.  I’ll fill it up again in a couple of days (Yes..when you normally drive it like you just stole it you tend to have to fill up – now and again..mostly..again!) and I’ll try to capture the event on my trusty Android.

 

Stay tuned (up).  {someone please say they get that}

Thanks for reading

Tim

 

 

 

 

 

Wrenchin’ Tip – Got 6 Volts?

I was recently talking to a coworker of mine who own a 1949 Pontiac Silver Streak Delivery Van (link –     http://wp.me/pKHNM-Bx ) and we were discussing his 6 volt system and the troubles with low amperage.

Well I just ran across a couple of interesting articles dealing with that subject.  Now I will tell you I am not “the guy” for electrical work – nope not me (I had a bad experience – ok – a couple of bad ones).  But even this one I can understand.

Increasing the power supply often means that you need to convert to 12 volt and maybe 15 years ago yes, but now 6 volts are readily available.  So here is what you do (sorry no pics)

Take two 6 volt batters and link them in parallel by connecting the two negative terminals to each other and the two positive to each other. The main positive cable goes from the positive terminal of the first battery to ground and the main negative cable is connected to the negative terminal of the second battery.  Of course in some case you may have to modify the batter shelf, but it will sure help kick up the cold cranking amps.

Thanks for reading

Tim

Car Production Numbers. They Made How Many? 1950

Folks seem to like this segment so let’s continue with 1950.

19 major car makers existed back then and Chevy topped the production totals with 1,498,590 units followed closely by Ford with 1, 208,912.  The rest of the field were all less than have that.

Plymouth – 610,954

Buick – 588,439

Pontiac – 466,429

Olds – 408,060

Dodge – 341,797

Studebaker – 320,884  (Don’t ya wish they would have made it?  I would love to have seen their innovation continue.)

Mercury – 293,658

Chrysler – 179,299

Nash – 171,782

DeSoto – 136,203

Hudson – 121,408

Cadillac – 103,857

Packard – 42,627

Lincoln – 28,190

Kaiser – 15,228

Croslely – 6,792

Frazer – 3,700

Of note:

This was the last year for the Old 6 cylinder 76 models, while their Rocket  88 set speed records at Daytona – averaging 100.28 mph.

Packard began selling the only automatic transmission ever developed by an independent car maker.

The Rocket 88 - record setter.

 

Can a pick a Frazer out of a line up?  Me either. Here’s one.

1950 Frazer Manhattan Convertible

How about a Crosley?  Yeah I could do that one.

Crosley Hot Spot - circa 1950

And what did a automatic transmission look like in 1949?  Here is the Packards Ultramatic.

The looked a lot like todays automatic transmissions

 

Thanks for reading.

Tim

Product Review – Griot’s Garage – Long Lasting Tire Dressing Closure

So you’ve read my review and I promised to drop a note as to the “Long Lasting” part of Griot’s Garage’s – Long Lasting Tire Dressing.

Now is has rained nearly every day since I applied the dressing.

So take a look at the tires with 2 applications and 3 applications.

Tires with 2 applications of tire dressing

 

Here is the tire with 3 applications of tire dressing

 

Here is what I think as a wrap up.   Long lasting to me doesn’t necessarily mean just duration, but can it stand up to everyday driving – oh—yeah…just in case I failed to mention, the  Vette is my daily driver.  It lived up to the Griot promise.  I’ll continue using this product.

Thanks for reading

Tim

 

Tanner 67 Camaro

A readers’ trip to the drag strip. Tanner Dutton making a pass in his 67 Camaro.  It was an 11.5 pass.  Not too shabby  Tanner.

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Tanners's Camaro at rest. (That is not Tanner in the pic)

Readers Question – Swings in Oil Pressure.

From Michael Woodword – hey, I just got a 1993 thunderbird with a 5.0 HO. every time I come to a stop, the oil pressure drops dramatically. I was wanting to know if you would have any idea what could cause this. Thank You
But when I get back up to speed its fine.
It would be nice to get an opinion from an expert which ar
nt easy to find

 

ANSWER:   Michael. The pressure should drop when you stop, dramatic swings in the gauge could be a problem with the gauge or you need replace your oil sending unit.

Transformers The Movie – Do We Love Our Cars?

Do we love our cars or what?

I recent attended a showing of the latest Transformers movie (“Dark Side of the Moon“) and if you know anything about this series or of the cartoon of years gone by, you’ll know that the main characters are machines that turn in to robots.  Most of these are vehicles, cars, trucks, semis and even military aircraft.

The car group included a lot of chevys this time, a Camaro  which is one of the main stairs, an Impala and a Corvette (actually a representation of a prototype Corvette).  The  Corvette transformed into a rollerblading robot – which I thought unfitting of my favorite car.

There is the human hero and of course a hot model as his object of desire.

When the hot model was threatened or in harm’s way you could hear the audience get involved.  But when an evil robot was about to execute the Camaro character the audience got really vocal.   Kids cried at that images, thinking that the Camaro was about to get wacked,   forget about the girl….just don’t hurt the car!!!

Yes we love your cars.  Oh and the good cars – the Chevy‘s– saved the world again.

But that’s movies and you can just enjoy it with no lasting harmful effects..unless you are me or  maybe it wasn’t me but the subliminal messages.  I left wanting a Camaro, but not just any 2012 Camaro, but a yellow with black striped bumble bee Camaro.

It must be subliminal messages, I had the same desire after watching Will Smith zip through the empty streets of New York City in the 2007 Shelby GT500 Mustang in his move ‘I Am Legend’ yes the red with white stripes.

2007 GT500 Mustang

2012 Camaro

 

You know you want both too!!!

Thanks for reading…and go hug your car!!!

Tim

Product Review – Griot’s Garage – Long Lasting Tire Dressing Prt 2

Before I attempted to use the tire dressing, I washed the car and gave the rubber a good scrubbing.  For the actual application I used an old sock.  When I first poured the dressing on to the sock, it was a bit runny, but still has some consistency.  Keep in mind the temperature, 105 degrees in my garage where I  stored it and where I was applying it and about 108 outside.  I was a bit concerned, because with two show cars (one, a trophy winner and white!!) and having the tire dressing flung all over the paint isn’t cool, which is exactly what I won’t use the Eagle One brand.

I gave 3 of my 07 Vette’s tires two coats and I have one 3 coats.  Take a look a the results.

First coat:

First coat - not even - most likely due to the sock.

Another first coat

An additional note – these pics were taken in my garage with a less than optimal source light.

Now with the Vette  moved out into the sun and two coats.

Two coats - pretty nice coverage.

I really liked the 3rd application.

3 coats created a good look

So know I’ve given each tire 3 coats and since I don’t do this for a living, the next test had to wait.  I had a few ‘honey-do’ chores, before I took the Vette for a drive.  So the car sat in the sun for about an hour – temp was about 108.

With the to do list completed, I  needed  to take the Vette out to toss some air in the tires.  Yes…average guy tools = small compressor  that doesn’t hold enough air to top off four tires..heck…it can barely do one…got to upgrade one of these days.

Here is where the rubber meets the road and hopefully the tire dressing doesn’t meet the paint, but first a note. I did in fact drip some of Griot’s Garage – Long Lasting Tire Dressing on my chrome wheels and sure enough it cleans off with moist rag.

Take a quick spin about 1.5 miles from the house and I don’t drive 30 miles an hour…the tires spun pretty hard the entire trip.

At the air pump here is what I saw.

Light running

Same here.

I’ll mention, again the temperature and I think that might have something to do with it, but really this wasn’t bad.  The real test was whether or not it spread to the paint and since it’s a black car you aren’t going to see it as easily – it’s a clear liquid as well.  So a quick swipe with a white showed me all I needed to know, it came back clean.

So I’m pretty pleased with how the product worked.

As far as the “long-lasting” part.  I’m not going to be able to render a fair opinion yet for a couple of reason:

1.  I just put it on

2.  We don’t get much rain here in Southern AZ  but it is the monsoon season so it has rained 3 times since the application.

So that will have to be in Part 3 later on.

I need to add a few notes as I always do when I review a product. (Some of that laws school was worth the $$$.)

I don’t work for Griot’s, my only connection is that I”m on their mailing list.  This is the first product I’ve purchased from them.

I did see a tweet from someone related to Griot’s Garage commenting on this review, but don’t know the individual.

I’m not Consumer Reports or Consumer Digest.  I only comment on products I use in my search for “stuff” that works well for me.

Whenever I write about a product I try to follow the  instructions provided and always give any variances or events/conditions that might impact the outcome.

Thanks for reading.

Tim